An Exclusive Interview
By Kavita A Chhibber
Kavita’s note: When the eminent director Sanjay Leela Bhansali’s web series “Heeramandi: The Diamond Bazaar” made its debut on Netflix, I was expecting to be wowed by what he is most famous for – magnificent sets, beautiful music, great script and cinematography… and above all, a meticulous eye for detail. I was also expecting to be wowed by some brilliant performances by the stellar cast of women actors that Sanjay had chosen probably after much deliberation. After all, it was a series about courtesans and their lives full of beauty, betrayal, intrigues, and regal elegance.
But everyone, including I, was caught unaware by the handsome young man who came and floored everyone with his suave and sensitive performance as Tajdar Baloch. Caught between forbidden love and love for his country, Taha Shah Badussha truly emerged as the real Heera (diamond) in “Heeramandi.”
I was about to interview Taha for his role in another compelling (but yet to be released) film “Paro” where he plays the role of Rashid, an antihero, representing everything that is wrong with patriarchy. A man who buys and sells women in a ruthless manner, the role has so many shades of evil that you won’t believe this is the same man who played the elegant Tajdar in “Heeramandi.” Those of you who have not read my features on “Paro,” or seen my interview with actor Trupti Bhoir, please go to my website (www.KavitaChhibber.com) and do so.
It’s my dream that everyone of us becomes a committed part of the army that must help Trupti and her team change the lives of these women in India who are forced into bridal and sexual slavery.
When I started researching Taha, I had to request an additional few weeks from him to see his entire body of work. I was shocked to see that it took him 15 years of blood, sweat and tears, to become this so called “national crush” and a global star being chased and adored by people of all ethnic groups abroad, especially at Cannes, and at home in India.
Taha’s work is compelling. Making his debut with Yashraj Studios, continuing with Karan Johar, he never seemed to get any lucky breaks. Most of the time, things would come to the point where he would land the role, only to be dropped at the last moment. A true “Snakes and Ladders” story as I said to him.
The multi-layered role he has played in “Paro” is so compelling that I told him I hated him and forgave him only when redemption came in the end with a change of heart. He was THAT good.
I even went back to see “Heeramandi” to study nuances he brought into the series and also to make sure that the scar on his face was especially created for “Paro” and wasn’t something he had acquired along the way as a mischievous boy growing up in Dubai.
Then as I researched him more, I found that Taha has done a lot of diverse roles, especially in women-centric films where he has had no qualms in letting the women shine at his character’s expense.
Men raised by determined single moms, as Taha was, often share a different point of view on how to nurture and treat women. I observed a few things about him even as we were texting each other for some weeks before we set up this interview. He got in touch with me, literally minutes after the interview was mentioned to him by Trupti Bhoir.
Zero attitude, plenty of warmth. Taha is very down-to-earth, extremely intelligent, well read and honest. There is no mincing of words. He will answer whatever you ask him, but respectfully. He is loyal and sentimental. Taha mentioned Tushar, a friend of his who sadly passed away last year, but was with him for over a decade. He was also instrumental in getting him an audition for “Heeramandi.“
When we set up a time to speak, Taha was barely a few minutes late, but he sent me a text bang on time requesting a few extra minutes. He didn’t need to do that. We give people a 15-minute grace period anyway.
These are courtesies that people remember.
The main reason I wanted to interview Taha was not because he is such a stellar actor, or a courteous human being who seems to practice a lot of daily gratitude.
It was because how over the years, when success kept snubbing him in the face, he fell, he cried, but he got up every time and kept on improving himself. Anytime he was given an opportunity he made people eat their words. Not just that, after so much success Taha still calls people asking for work. No ego, just a desire not to take success for granted, and to continue to be considered for good work. He showed me a sheaf of papers where he has set up meetings with many people and I’m sure many of the calls were on his own time. You can see that on the video podcast on my YouTube channel.
And that was perhaps the most inspiring part of his story. Because today people give up too soon. Depression is high, and suicide rates are up amongst the younger generation.
I told Taha again after this interview that this was only the first round, and I hope to continue the conversations. There are only a handful of people I have said that to in my very long career as a journalist.
I noticed the love and gratitude with which Taha acknowledges his mother’s contribution in making him who he is today. She is on my immediate list to interview for being the wind beneath his wings. After all, Mother’s Day is around the corner, so, it was only appropriate to start the conversation with lessons he has learnt from his mother Mahnaz.
“I’ve always seen my mom make time for everything. When I was in 3rd grade, she would wake up early in the morning. She would make us breakfast (us being his older brother Abid and him). She would drop us at school. She would come back, make food for us, again feed us and I have never seen her relax. I think both me and my brother have energy, and it’s not that we don’t like to relax, I think we are both so driven because of her. We have spent so much time with her and all the best qualities she seems to possess. She possesses no bad qualities, there is no weakness. She is mentally strong.”
“This was even when she was much younger. She would never party, she would never splurge on spas, she would never go out and leave the kids at home. Things like that. Her priority was always – and still is – Abid and me. I’m truly blessed. Everybody of course has the best mom in the world. I wish to have this mom, every time I’m reborn. I realize I’m nothing compared to the amount of strength she has, the amount of sacrifices she has made. Just the strong will that she possesses. I think every time I become weak, or I break, just an interaction with her has always recharged me in a way that I was ready to battle – battle with myself, battle with the world around me who put me down, who never believed in me… the naysayers.”
Taha says his heart was always attracted to the world of entertainment.
“I initially wanted to be in animation because I loved cartoons, but then the New York Film Academy opened in Abu Dhabi. I had been researching it for two years, and I wanted to join early but I never had the courage to do so.” Then his mom stepped in.
“She asked me that I had told her I wanted to join acting, but what happened? It has been a month now. I said I don’t know. Maybe I was being stupid. I don’t know anybody. We are in Dubai, we can do real estate, we can do construction, but acting? Really?! What can I really do in acting?”
“But she really didn’t listen to me. She dragged me out, drove me all the way to Abu Dhabi. She went and met the Principal, paid the fees, got me into the dorm where the boys were staying, and just left me there. She said ‘Tomorrow I am coming back with your food and clothes. and so, start.'”
“So that’s it. I just started. I have moved from a lot of schools in my life, but wherever I was I always felt like I didn’t belong. When you want to belong, you want everybody to like you. You want to be famous, but when you find a place where you belong then you don’t need that. You don’t need their validation because you found yourself. My whole life I’d been looking for people to give me validation, but when I found acting, I found me. I think that was the biggest blessing of my life- to be able to find me and being okay just being with me.”
Taha’s mom wanted to be an actor and got offers as well but it was frowned upon in those days as far as young girls from good families were concerned. “Her mom said I’ll kick you out if you do anything like that. I think the circle of life – I’m getting a chance to fulfill her dreams and now she is putting all her effort into me, and I don’t want to let her down.”
“She is always taking care of people. I’m lucky I’m able to do everything that I wanted to do and that’s only because of her. And to be honest, even my brother has taken up the image of being a father figure; more of a father since he became a father himself five years ago. He now actually understands how it is to be a father. The way he treats me, with calmness. He is always very, very loving, always wants me to do my best.”
“One thing though. My brother is a very practical man. When I was eight years into the industry about seven years ago, he said ‘Nothing is really happening for you. You should be doing something else now. It’s already been 8-9 years’ and I said, ‘But I know I’ll make it.’ And he said, ‘But you are NOT making it! How can you be so blind? You have to have plan B.'”
“I said, ‘I have a plan B. It is to make Plan A work.’ He said ‘Oh my God, why are you so impossible?! You are a grown-up person. It’s not happening to you, so just give it up!’ I started to cry. I was crying in the bathroom, and my mom came to the bathroom and said, ‘What happened?’ I said ‘You saw what happened!’ And she said ‘Listen don’t worry about what he is saying. It’s because he is worried, it’s concern.'”
“‘But you are doing it for me, and I’ll be here to back you till the last breath. So you continue to do what you do. I KNOW it will happen to you.’ And then I said, ‘I’ll make it happen, you see I will.'”
Another time, Taha had been finalized for a role in the Akshay Kumar starrer “Gold” which was directed by Reema Kagti. They finally took someone else.
“I had no work. Everything counted for me at that time. I broke down. I was like, ‘What am I supposed to do? I just don’t know. I’m doing all my classes. I’m working on all my skills, my talent. I’m not wasting my time. I’m diligent. I’m doing a good audition. They select me and then it finally slips out of my hands.”
Taha was crying on his bed and his mom walked in.
“She asks me very practically ‘What happened?’ So, I told her, and she said, ‘Are you going to get anything by crying?’ I said ‘I guess not,’ and she said ‘Okay so then sleep, wake up and let’s get moving again. I don’t want to see you crying. I want to see you winning.’ And I said I would win and so I went to sleep. I wake up and I am at it again. She is very practical that way. She is not a molly coddler. She always believes in hard work. She believes a lot in God. She said, ‘Put your head down, put in the hard work. Be honest to your work and one day God will give you (what you deserve). It’s not possible that it won’t happen.'”
Taha finally landed in Bombay on a rainy day not knowing anyone. What did the ups and downs of business teach him that held him in good stead in Bombay?
“Well one thing I definitely understood after doing business and coming here (Bombay), is that this has to do with creativity, to do with craftsmanship, whereas business is a very different kind of world. But at the end of the day, it is a business, and you can use the same kind of business principles. Like if you don’t take a risk, you are not going to get a profit. Even acting – it’s the business of acting. Otherwise, I can act on the road. I can act in theater. You can just act for anybody but that’s not what I’m here to do. I’m here to be the best actor in the world. I’m here to earn and give back to my family things they did not have. To give back to society. For that everything revolves around money, and around who you know. So that is one thing, I definitely understood.”
“I was also doing recruitment of labor, manpower, construction. I had to deal with different classes of people. I had to deal with blue collar labor class people as well as manage their mentality and, at the same time, go and deal with the owners – the Sheikhs at UAE where I was selling steel. I had to deal with them in a different manner.”
“So with every person, your body language has to change, your language has to change. So, you imbibe it over here and you understand that everybody has a different mindset. Nobody is big or small. At least that is what my mom has always taught me. Today someone may be a watchman or a boy (errand runner), but five years down the road, he may be running a big production house. You just never know in this industry. So business really got me grounded and enabled me to communicate with such a wide range of people. It made me realize that life is a business and made me understand the business of acting.”
“One thing I also did was build a network. I remember my mother used to have these books, the yellow pages. She’d look at the yellow pages, look down at various companies, call all the companies on those pages, and make cold calls to get a job.”
“I learnt that from her. It was always at the back of my mind. She would have a notebook, she‘d clip one number, write something down. She’d have a conversation; she’d write something down. Somehow that has stuck with me. When I stepped out of Yashraj (Studios) and I had to look for work all by myself now, that’s when I realized I knew nobody and I have to start making calls, Out of a hundred I may get one response, but that one may turn out to be something so that’s how I started running my life because I knew no one is going to help me. I have to help myself.”
“Heeramandi” catapulted Taha to super stardom and yet instead of resting on his laurels he continues networking, distributing business cards, and is still making calls asking for work. It requires humility and not taking success for granted, and to leave your ego in check. When I said that Taha showed me sheafs of papers full of meetings that he had initiated.
He continues to connect with people, to keep in touch.
“Taj: Divided by Blood“ was an extraordinary web series that explores the power struggles and family relationships within the Mughal empire in the later part of Emperor Akbar’s reign. It had a huge star cast. Taha played Murad, one of Akbar’s sons, in a role that was already ear marked for someone else. Naseeruddin Shah played Akbar in the series. But that’s where one of the cold calls paid off.
“So these connections, these calls I randomly make, I do research about different companies. In Zee we had this person called Raghav who used to work there. I made many calls; he did not pick up. But then one time he did. I quickly introduced myself and kept asking for a meeting. Finally, I got a meeting with him. Once they meet me then of course there are good vibes and then you become friends and see what happens.”
“That happened a few months prior to Taj. He had said in case something comes up I’ll let you know, I’ll keep you in mind. Many a time you see that the casting people may give the audition to people close to them and you might miss those opportunities even though you might feel you are the best fit. But your face will never go to the people who need to see the audition. That’s why I try to reach from all the different angles.”
“So Raghav gave me a ring and said, ‘This role has already been cast for but just send me the audition and let’s see.’ I sent the audition and didn’t hear from them for a week. Then they said, ‘Sorry the director did not want to see it.’ Then again 2-3 days later I get a call that they randomly pulled my audition up because they had some time sitting in the office waiting for somebody.”
They happened to see Taha’s audition and asked “Who is this guy? Call this guy.” William (the showrunner of the show) called Taha and both he and the director Ron Scalpello spoke to him.
Taha was told later that Ron thought the other guy might be a better fit, but William disagreed and insisted Taha be taken and he wasn’t going to go on the floor without him in the role. The director was annoyed and said, “You can’t change the cast at the last minute!” but William was adamant.
“And that’s how I got the role. They called me and I discussed the role. I asked them to edit a few things and make the role more emotional than just a one layered character.” What was impressive was that Taha paid from his pocket for extra horse-riding lessons. There was a special axe that was created just for him, and he worked on his Urdu diction, going that extra mile to play Murad.
“And when I completed the shoot, Ron very kindly came on camera and said that ‘He (Taha) was never my first choice, but he made me eat my words.’ He extended my role and till date we keep in touch even discussing future projects to do together.”
“Both my projects, Taj and Heeramandi, I was literally the last person to be cast.”
And that brought us to Heeramandi, a web series that catapulted Taha to superstardom. People were calling him an overnight sensation, but it took 15 years. Again, the road to the lead role in Heeramandi was an arduous and unexpected one.
Taha initially signed up for a three-day role and even to get that took 15 months.
“They were not giving me the audition. I was literally begging for it. Me and Tushar.”
“God bless his soul. He passed away last year but he had been with me for 13 years and today wherever I am, he has been a huge part, so a huge thank you on this interview also to him, God bless him. We both pleaded with the casting director (Shruti Mahajan) to give us one opportunity. Unfortunately, we only got a 3-day role opportunity, but we said we would take it because we wanted Mr. Bhansali to at least see my acting. Because you never know what may happen.”
“So I took it as in any case I wasn’t doing anything else. Then suddenly I get a call that ‘Sir (Director Sanjay Leela Bhansali) has called you, to meet you guys.’ I was quite surprised because why would he want to meet a 3-day role guy? It is almost literally like an extra, a side character.”
“But he called me, he spoke to me, understood my whole background, where I had come from. He told me ‘Tuney kaam toh bahut kiya hai par tujhe koi janta nahin hai”‘ (“You’ve done a substantial body of work, but nobody knows you.”) I said, “You are right, I’m trying, but thank you.”
“So he said ‘Shruti, don’t give him this role. Give him the role of Balraj (who plays Tajdar’s friend in the Netflix series). It was a thirty-day role from a three-day role. He said, ‘You are playing a revolutionary.’ I thought okay, if I even have 3-4 good scenes in the entire show I’ll do my best.”
“I went for my look test and then I started working on the contract. Nine days later I was going to sign it, and I get a call from them saying that ‘Sorry, Sir changed his mind’ and I’m like, ‘it has seemed that every time I get this close, something happens, and the jinx is repeated.’ They said, ‘But Sir would like to meet you and tell you.’
“I went and fell on my knees and said (to Sanjay Leela Bhansali) ‘Sir please don’t take me out of this project. This is all I have. If there is something wrong, please tell me so I can correct it.'”
“He said, ‘No, no, son sit down.’ So, I sat down, very scared from the inside, just looking at him.”
“He said, ‘I really liked your look test. Kuch toh hai Teri ankhon mein (“There is something unfathomable in your eyes.”) I want to give you the lead role in my show.’
“I just stared blankly at him. He’s like, ‘You don’t want it?’”
“I said ‘Sir, I’m not understanding. What are you saying? Are you joking?’
“He replied, ‘Go downstairs, start the audition.’”
When Taha stepped out of the room and closed the door behind him, it was then that it dawned on him what he had just heard. He called his mother first.
“I did the audition, I passed the first round, I passed the second round. The next day I had to come for the look test. Then he (Sanjay Leela Bhansali) said ‘Don’t contact anybody. Only the casting director will be directly in touch with you.'”
“I said ‘Okay sir, no problem. I won’t get in touch with anybody.’ Then the time started crawling. One month went by and when I called, I was told no decision had been made as of yet.”
“I told her (Shruti) ‘Ma’am I don’t want the (lead role). Please just give me Balraj’s role. I’m fine with it. Give the (lead) role to whoever it was meant for. But it shouldn’t be that I don’t get this (lead) role also and I don’t get that role also. I don’t want that.'”
“She said, ‘I haven’t got a decision. So how can I say anything?’ I didn’t want to irritate her anymore, so I said “Okay fine.'”
“Two months, and then three months passed. I was having a heart attack every day! In that gap I started getting a few projects. One of them was an international project. I had to do it for money because I needed to run the house. But of course, my whole heart and soul was on Heeramandi. I never let anything out. I asked my mom because three months had passed, and I had to make a decision. Either I needed to sign the contract NOW or lose all those three projects.”
“I asked my mom, ‘What should I do?’ She said, ‘Whatever your heart says, do that.'”
“I said no to all three projects. And then I sat at home, holding my head thinking I must be the biggest bloody fool in the world. I don’t have Heeramandi in my hands and I got kicked out of the rest of the things that came to me as well.”
“But three days later after I made that risky call, I got a call from Mr. Bhansali’s office. They gave him the phone, and he said, ‘Aa ja set pe, tu mera Tajdar hai.’ (Come on to the set. You are my Tajdar).
The rest, as they say, is history and a glorious one.
Taha has been especially impressive in both Taj and Heeramandi. What did he learn from the great actor Naseeruddin Shah who played emperor Akbar in Taj and Sanjay Leela Bhansali?
“I have to say, from Naseeruddin Shah sir I learnt that no matter how many years you have spent doing what you are doing, he never let go of his script when he was on set. He was always at it, always reading, always going through it sitting down, lying down. I did the same thing, but I saw him and he has been there for so long he is still doing it. He is still completely lost in that script, analyzing the script, breaking down the character in his head and whatever else he needs to do. But he is at it.”
“So I learnt from Mr. Naseeruddin Shah Sir that no matter what your age is, and how much your experience might be, every role is a new role and the hard work you put in should always be the same. Never lax out on it.”
“As far as Mr. Bhansali Sir is concerned, there are too many things I learnt from him but one thing he told me was, ‘Don’t think too much, connect with the Universe, connect with the energy and then let it come out.’ I believe he has a special capability of having a vision but at the same time letting the energy of the Universe pass through him, and of course I have learnt that from him.”
“I’m still way younger but he has no distractions. He might, I don’t know but as far as we can see, he has no distractions. He is thinking, eating, breathing, sleeping Cinema. That’s what he is doing. Stories, art. It’s amazing. How can somebody not get distracted? That’s what I have learnt from him. No matter how much I do, to reach his level, is really like to be more than a perfectionist.”
Which brings us to Paro, a film that is doing the rounds of private screenings, wowing every audience. It will hopefully be released soon.
In it Taha plays Rashid, who is part of a system of selling and buying Paros, innocent women kidnapped or lured from all parts of India and forced into bridal slavery. In Mewat, Haryana due to female feticide, the ratio of women is 730 to 1000 men.
We can’t reveal too much of the film because it is yet unreleased, but Taha’s performance is outstanding. There are very few dialogues, and the character is revealed a lot through his eyes and body language.
“Did you know how we found Paro?” he asks.
I tell him I’d like to hear from him directly.
“I go to Cannes and all these events and most of the time people are like, ‘Why are you going? You are wasting your time.’ My mom is like, ‘You are wasting money; you are taking your whole team over there and what are you going to do? Its not an acting thing!’ And I said ‘Relax, relax, relax. I’ll get something and come back. I never come back empty-handed.’ I let my team loose and I knew exactly what I wanted. I knew Heeramandi was coming and what kind of role it was. And I wanted to do something that was very gritty, very raw, in the village but not like Murad. I needed the character to have a full character arc.”
“The character was created for Taha when he agreed to come on board. Before that there was no male lead in the film. But film maker and actor Trupti Bhoir and National award-winning director Gajendra Ahire realized they needed a saleable male lead to make it a balanced movie to sell the film. They were already getting reports that Taha was going to be the next big thing once Heeramandi was released.
“When my team said they found something, I went to Goa and listened to the narration. He (Gajendra Ahire) added a few things because now he knew I was coming on board. So he needed me to come up as a hero, even though he (the hero) might be negative in the beginning but the character should be that he has changed and has done something good.”
“When he told me about these women being like bridal slaves, I didn’t know that something like this existed. But when I heard it, I was very keen to understand and know more.”
“I knew that such a topic might not be commercial, but if it reaches the right people, then some of the women’s lives can be saved.”
“And seeing my mother do whatever she’s done (working hard to raise her sons as a single mother), my only thing was to give back to society, so I can use the blessings that God has given me to help save somebody (in need). I may not be able to save them personally but if I make a film that can change somebody’s mind, which can build awareness then that’s my way of contributing to society.”
“When I heard it (the narration) I was completely shaken.”
Taha brought up a scene, in our conversation, where he has just paid for a Paro woman who is a nursing mother, but her son has been snatched away from her. Rashid is drunk, and tries to rip her clothes off to molest her, and a spray of breast milk splashes on his face. Instead of feeling bad, he is initially taken aback but his reaction is unexpected. “He tastes it, and he likes it. It is such a weird scene, and I said I want to do this film because I don’t think I have ever seen something like this on screen ever. So if I can portray that and not in a vulgar way, but you (the audience) should feel like ‘Oh my God, what IS he doing?’ But then you get redemption at the end of it. This character is so gray and there is so much to play with that I want people to cringe in their seats, but by the end of it, I want people to have tears in their eyes.”
I have seen the film twice, and I can say Taha succeeded in doing that quite effortlessly. The mark of a great actor is you only see the character and not the actor. Both Taha and Trupti were unrecognizable in the film.
Because his story is so full of highs and lows for the past 15 years, and to see him still standing , still working hard, even after tasting such phenomenal success, I asked Taha if there was a message for those who give up or are battling depression and lose control when stressed out.
“There are a lot of cynical people, but I think that like I said, the world is full of distractions. The only advice I think I can give is that its very easy to say, ‘Never give up.’ But it’s really not about giving up, it’s about giving up and then getting back up again.”
“I’ve given up so many times. I’ve said screw this sh-t. I’m not going to work, I’m not going to do anything. But then again you sit back in your own time, with yourself and you know you have not touched your (full) potential yet. There is nothing new which is happening to me. A lot of people in life have gone through hardships. People have not gotten their dues. Even Picasso did not get his due, he got it after his death. The point is that success can come at any time and if you are looking for success where it is just materialistic then you are never going to get that. But I think for every young individual out there who is looking to follow their dreams, it’s not about the short-term goal, it’s about compounding interest, it’s about putting in the effort, one day at a time.”
“There is one story that has stayed with me, and I can share it. It’s not my story, it’s (actor) Will Smith’s story, in which he says that his father had once asked him and his brother to build a huge brick wall around their land and it looked like an impossible task but they started off and a few months later they built a certain piece of the wall. The father came, kicked in the wall and the wall fell down. ‘What the hell are you doing?'”
“He (Dad) said ‘Build it again.’ and Will said, ‘But we will never finish it.'”
“Their father said ‘Don’t worry about the wall. Worry about how well you can place this one brick and if you place this one brick with the right cement, the right placement and everything is right then over time what you will build is always going to be much better than if you are trying to rush it out.'”
“For me it’s all about the ‘day by day” thing. Today what can I do best? I can’t control anything which is out of my hands. I can’t control other people’s decisions, I can’t control that people think maybe I don’t fit. I can’t control all that but what I CAN control is to keep on learning my craft, to keep bettering myself, investing my time where I can get better, work on my weaknesses and just utilize those 24 hours well. Because at the end of the day all of us just have those 24 hours. What happens next is not in our hands. If I can give any advice, it is to go 24 hours at a time and make it the best 24 hours that you possibly can.”
Any interview would be incomplete without it, so I requested Taha to share those now famous lines from Heeramandi, that have women of all ages swooning these days. What touched me was the gratitude with which he acknowledged every good wish and all the blessings that have been showered on him before he recited them.
Taha wanted to dedicate the lines “to the beautiful, amazing mothers, women, grandmoms, who have called me, who I have spoken to, who have messaged me on Instagram, Facebook and on all social media websites. Anywhere I go, people are calling up their moms, wives and they are giving me their phones to talk to them.”
“You don’t understand. For a person who has not gotten love for anything that he has done for so many years and all of a sudden people from all across the globe are giving him blessings. So anybody who is out there, I have to say thank you very much for all the blessings, all the love that you have given me. I really hope that I can make you all feel, that’s what I want to do. I want to make you feel. I want to spread love and here it goes, to all the beautiful women out there, to all the moms, I love you.”
And I know he meant it.
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